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Is China Planning To Invade Siberia?


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2025 Jul 3, 4:58am   207 views  15 comments

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#chinaretakessiberia This morning, I want to discuss a subject I have been researching-China and Siberia. Here is some fascinating history:
Chinese name for Vladivostok and the percentage of Vladivostok population that is Chinese
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The Chinese name for Vladivostok is Hǎishēnwǎi (海參崴), meaning "sea cucumber bay," historically used during the Qing dynasty. It was also called Yongmingcheng (永明城), meaning "City of Eternal Light," in Chinese maps from the Yuan dynasty (1271–1368). Officially, China now uses the transliteration Fúlādíwòsītuōkè (符拉迪沃斯托克), though Hǎishēnwǎi remains common in informal contexts.
Regarding the percentage of Vladivostok's population that is Chinese, recent data is limited and contested. The 2002 Russian census reported 39,483 ethnic Chinese in Russia, with a small fraction in Vladivostok, estimating about 2,000 Chinese residents, or roughly 0.3% of the city's population of approximately 600,000 at the time. However, unofficial estimates suggest higher numbers due to temporary migrants and undocumented workers, potentially ranging from 20,000 to 40,000 in the Russian Far East, though not all reside in Vladivostok. Exact current figures are unavailable due to lack of recent official data and the transient nature of Chinese workers in the region.

Here is another fascinating part of China/Siberia history:
Did Russia take part of Siberia from China?
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Yes, Russia acquired parts of Siberia from China through historical treaties in the 19th century. The Treaty of Aigun (1858) and the Treaty of Peking (1860) ceded territories in the Amur River region and parts of Outer Manchuria, including areas now known as the Russian Far East, to the Russian Empire. These treaties followed conflicts and negotiations between the Qing Dynasty and Russia, with China under pressure from internal instability and foreign powers. The territories involved included regions like Primorsky Krai and parts of modern-day Amur Oblast, significantly expanding Russian control in Siberia and along the Pacific coast. Some in China still view these as "unequal treaties" due to the circumstances under which they were signed.

I discovered a fascinating article about China taking over parts of Siberia again:
China’s threats against Taiwan get a lot of attention. But a far more audacious plan is unfolding in Beijing. Emerging evidence — drawn from internal Chinese deliberations and a leaked Russian intelligence document — suggests that China’s ambitions are pivoting north, to Siberia.
This shift — driven by Chinese resource hunger, geopolitical opportunism, and Russia’s weakening grip — could reshape the global order in ways the West has yet to fully grasp. Moreover, the staggering costs of invading Taiwan and Siberia’s role in fueling China’s economic growth make the northern pivot increasingly likely by 2027.

China’s fixation on Taiwan, fueled by national pride and Xi Jinping’s vision, remains a rhetorical cornerstone. However, a full-scale amphibious invasion would be a logistical and economic nightmare.
Hitler was stopped by the 22-mile gap ocean between France and the U.K. The Taiwan Strait is five times wider, and the 100-mile-wide chokepoint is heavily defended by Taiwan’s modernized military and backed by explicit and implicit U.S. and allied support.
A comprehensive 2023 war game conducted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies concluded that a Chinese invasion would likely fail and come at a staggering cost to all parties. The study projects that in a three-week conflict, China would suffer devastating losses, including an estimated 10,000 troops killed and the loss of 155 combat aircraft and 138 major ships.
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The economic fallout would be catastrophic. A 2024 analysis by Bloomberg Economics estimated that a war over Taiwan would cost the world approximately $10 trillion, equivalent to 10 percent of global GDP. Taiwan’s dominance in semiconductor production means any disruption would cripple global supply chains, including China’s own tech sector. These prohibitive costs, coupled with the high risk of a broader, protracted conflict with America and its allies, make a near-term invasion of Taiwan increasingly improbable.
In contrast, Siberia offers a tantalizing prize with fewer immediate risks. Its vast reserves of oil, gas, gold, diamonds, rare earth minerals, and fresh water are critical to sustaining China’s resource-strapped economy.

China’s arid northern provinces face chronic water scarcity. The North China Plain, an agricultural and industrial heartland, supports 20 percent of China’s population with only 5 percent of its freshwater. Siberia’s Lake Baikal alone holds 20 percent of the world’s unfrozen freshwater, a resource that could be diverted to transform China’s north.

This strategic calculus is underpinned by a growing sentiment within some Chinese circles that Russia is a power in decline, unable to effectively manage or defend its resource wealth. Siberia’s resources could fuel China’s projected GDP growth targets, addressing soaring energy demands — China is the world’s largest crude oil importer — and securing critical rare earths essential for its dominance in green technology and advanced military industries. In 2023, China’s rare earth mining quota surged to 240,000 tons, yet its demand continues to outstrip domestic supply.
Russia’s weakening grip enhances Siberia’s allure. A leaked document, purportedly from Russia’s Federal Security Service, has detailed Moscow’s deep-seated fears of Chinese demographic and economic encroachment in the Far East.

Russia’s military, severely depleted by the protracted war in Ukraine, has reportedly diverted a significant portion of its eastern forces westward. This has left the vast, 6-million-square-mile territory of Siberia — home to 30 million people — dangerously under-defended.
The report, as described by The New York Times, notes an alleged increase in Chinese intelligence activity, including efforts to recruit Russian scientists, target military technology, and subtly assert historical territorial claims, such as the use of the name “Haishenwai” for Vladivostok on official maps. These actions tap into historical grievances over the “Unequal Treaties” of the 19th century, through which Russia annexed vast territory from China during the Qing Dynasty.

Russia’s eastern defenses are in a precarious state. A recent analysis by the Institute for the Study of War underscores the unsustainability of Russia’s equipment and personnel losses. The report explains that the high rate of attrition and the finite nature of Soviet-era stockpiles will likely lead to a point of diminishing availability of crucial military hardware by late 2025 or 2026. This systemic weakness affects the entire Russian military, including forces stationed in Siberia, which have been drawn upon to support operations in Ukraine. Reports from the region describe garrisons stripped of experienced personnel, reliant on outdated equipment, and undertrained conscripts.
In stark contrast, China’s People’s Liberation Army is a modern and technologically advanced force. It boasts hypersonic missiles, fifth-generation fighter jets, and sophisticated cyber warfare capabilities that could quickly overwhelm Russia’s depleted eastern defenses. Furthermore, Russia’s economy, battered by Western sanctions and increasingly dependent on Chinese energy, lacks the capacity to meaningfully reinforce its eastern flank.
With Moscow’s political, military, and economic focus almost entirely consumed by Ukraine, it remains dangerously exposed to the strategic ambitions of its powerful neighbor.

The Chinese Communist Party has invested massively in military modernization with the stated goal of being ready for a major conflict by 2027. If Beijing concludes that a direct assault on Taiwan is too risky, the formidable army it has built will likely not sit idle. It will be a tool available to advance long-term Chinese strategic objectives elsewhere, and Siberia presents the most obvious opportunity.
Taiwan remains a long-term Chinese goal, but its conquest risks global isolation and economic collapse. Siberia, in contrast, is a stealthier, more pragmatic target. The West, distracted by the conflict in Ukraine and the persistent threat to Taiwan, is unlikely to intervene decisively in a region it has long deemed peripheral to its core interests. Russia, economically tethered to Beijing and militarily weakened, might be forced to limit its retaliation to avoid losing its most crucial trade partner.

China could frame an incursion as a “limited special military operation” to secure vital resources and protect its economic interests, ironically mirroring Russia’s own playbook in Ukraine. The dire warnings from within the Russian intelligence, reportedly dismissed by a Kremlin desperate to project an image of strength and unwavering partnership with China, suggest Moscow is dangerously unprepared for Beijing’s audacity.
John Lonergan is a Harvard MBA with substantial international business experience and the author of two books about Russian biowarfare activities, “Containment” and “Outbreak.” The third in the series, “Contagion,” will be released this summer and describes a possible invasion of Siberia by Chinese forces.
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I saw another fascinating study in The Economist Magazine concerning the effects of global warming on the agricultural production of maize (corn), soy beans, wheat, and sorghum from today to 2089. With global warming, Siberia will become a vibrant agricultural area. I'm sure that those in power in China have seen this study.

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1   Fortwaye   2025 Jul 3, 5:19am  

bot?
2   ohomen171   2025 Jul 3, 7:39am  

No I am a real live 76 year old man!!!
3   WookieMan   2025 Jul 3, 8:08am  

ohomen171 says

No I am a real live 76 year old man!!!

Then post a link to the articles you're obviously copying. And why are you internet yelling?

The formatting is obvious. That's why people think you're a bot.
4   ohomen171   2025 Jul 3, 2:34pm  

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5   Fortwaye   2025 Jul 3, 2:38pm  

ohomen171 says


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that’s not what was asked. bad bot, like Hanroli.
6   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2025 Jul 3, 9:12pm  

ohomen171 says

No I am a real live 76 year old man!!!


Two can play at that game. I’m a middle aged cross queer transgender woman identifying as a futuristic bearmanpig hybrid with self stated tendencies towards far east culture(though not Japanese) combined with South American Amazonian roots. And I have no less than five identified disabilities further hindered by learning deficits.
7   HeadSet   2025 Jul 4, 7:22am  

WookieMan says

That's why people think you're a bot.



8   DeficitHawk   2025 Jul 4, 7:38am  

I doubt China will invade Siberia. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

Russia has blundered and weakened itself with its Ukraine war. It is already an economic vassal state of China. Any resources China wants from Siberia, it can just buy from Russia for cheaper than China could extract themselves. There is no economic motivation. An invasion would be messy and no guarantee of success.

China just watched Russia blunder with a miscalculated invasion of its neighbor which has cost them dearly.... China is not dumb, they are in no rush to blunder themselves.

China is more likely to focus on Taiwan if they do anything expansionist... whether that proves to be a blunder or not only time will tell.
9   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 4, 9:08am  

China already invaded, US border style. There are tons of Chinese illegals living and working in Siberia.
10   Fortwaye   2025 Jul 4, 11:25am  

ohomen never replies to anything except questions about him being a bot.
11   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 4, 2:53pm  

Fortwaye says

ohomen never replies to anything except questions about him being a bot.


That's what the older model bots do.
12   stereotomy   2025 Jul 5, 2:40am  

Notice Ohomenbot had to hype "AI" to prove "it's done the research."

Links to original sources or GTFO.
13   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jul 5, 12:46pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Fortwaye says


ohomen never replies to anything except questions about him being a bot.


That's what the older model bots do.


Notice how the bot never came to its defense when I said that?
14   Patrick   2025 Jul 5, 8:36pm  

ohomen171 says

No I am a real live 76 year old man!!!


Yes, ohomen171 is a real person. I've met him at a cafe near here.
15   Fortwaye   2025 Jul 5, 10:10pm  

Patrick says

ohomen171 says


No I am a real live 76 year old man!!!


Yes, ohomen171 is a real person. I've met him at a cafe near here.


then i’m corrected. thanks Patrick.

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