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The AI takeover is going to fail hard and fast


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2025 Jun 2, 10:18am   252 views  16 comments

by Tenpoundbass   ➕follow (10)   ignore (13)  

The rush to replace workers with AI is going to fail. Some replacements will stick but most are destined to fail.
The AI implementation where AI using cameras and sensors, and can deduce what their next process will be based solely on information and material at the job location. Those are real and continue to replace human workers. Where the finances permit. As I have said before, AI robots that it will comedown to a hardware upkeep issue, not the effectiveness of the AI bot solution. But modern electronics and surface mount micro semiconductors on tiny green boards, and fragile screens, and fragile micro tiny surface mount tactile buttons. Will cause a quick turn around of working to broken hardware, that manty owners will abandon buying replacements, and return human workers. As we have seen with much of Amazon's logistic operations. If you recall, Amazon rolled those free moving robotic pallet dollies. They didn't last a year, the abuse on them was far too great. Imagine a glorified Rumba running back and forth across a huge Amazon warehouse, and the battery and hardware keeping up with that, 24/7. But some where between needing a battery powered dolly that sees usage every minute of every day, and more sensible usage of the right tech. I can see AI replacing menial sorting, quality control, automated assembly processes and steps.

The biggest area AI will fail will be any forward facing Client, where information is swapped between the company and the Customer.
I think one of the biggest reason for this as it stands right now. Was Google intentionally sabotaging their Google search engine in late 2015, to stop Trump and try to save Hillary Clinton. I do believe at the moment Donald Trump walked down the escalators, Google in the synonymous sense of being how you ask the all knowing super computer that is the internet, damn near anything. You got a quality answer and result. Most often you got more information on the topic than you ever dreamed existed. Google was so good at what it did, I was worried the Human brain was going dumb down, and let Google do all of their thinking for them. I had all of the confidence in Google then, that I don not have in AI right now, including Google Search.

Which brings us the heart of the real problem really. From the moment that Trump came down the escalator in 2015, to the time the 2016 election came. Google had completely mangled and crippled their search algorithms. They also deleted swaths of data, archived data and web content was deleted, purged, and censored. AI was selling Trump to anyone that asked Google political questions about what they were hearing in the news. Google seemed to know the Media and official narrative, was bullshit, and the so called Fake news was the truth. Remember it called Hillary the personification of evil?

By time the election came, Google was so fucked up, then they proceeded to mangle it more, and turn it into the official commie propaganda service. Along with most all social networks for the next 8 years following Trump's 2016 win.

I think this is one of the biggest reasons that AI no matter who it is made by. Depends on Google, as Humanity put their faith in Google early on that it was going to the internet Archivist of every important factoid, historical facts, synopsis on any course material regardless of the subject. It was all right there. It was so good, I once caught myself wondering about a girl in my class back in high school. I couldn't think of her name, for a brief moment I caught myself pondering asking Google what was her name. Which I could have probably done, by searching school records, then trying to see if the list of students refreshes my memory. But I'm not talking about that, I mean I was pondering literally asking Google "Who was that chick that sit behind me in so in so's class?". I remember really having my mind blown, that I even briefly entertained doing that. That was sometime during Obama's admin. Might have been 2012 or so. It made me wary about relying on Google to do our heavy thinking, or research for us. Google in 2012, would beat the snot out of any AI service available today, including Google. It knew things, and had information that just isn't available anymore.

I consider it as much of a travesty of Human information and History since the burning of the Library of Alexandria. It really is that devastating.
So much data that Google had or was on the servers that was censored, canceled, bought and shut down, was information that was believed would always be there. Original context and information is gone forever. Look at all of the books that has gone to the landfill, and movie copies people pitched DVD, VHS because we all bought into the digital bullshit, it would be on the internet forever, why do we need to keep a copy around?

So this all leads to the giant hole in the head of AI, and every AI company using the same diminished Google knowledge base as their source. People say data, but no! Every AI bot is searching Google, that's all AI for the end user really is. It's a bot doing the Google search for you, then serving it up to you in a format you can use. As if you did it yourself. That would have been so cool 8 years ago. But now it's like someone with down syndrome is serving it up.
Also you look on Google yourself. It's as if Google decided on one answer for most topics, and that's the same message board post, or review that was kept for the Google search answer. Gone is the long list of information you would wade through to get the answer you sought, along with a trove of other related information.

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1   mell   2025 Jun 2, 11:17am  

100% agreed
2   Ceffer   2025 Jun 2, 11:41am  

Machinery and electronics break down and the maintenance tether requirement may reduce human interface in some instances, create new human interfaces in others. It's why industry have depreciation schedules for taxes and investments. Obviously, automation in auto production has improved quality and safety. They still need lots of humans to keep the assembly lines from breaking down. One bad machine can disrupt the whole line and cause production delays.

I guess that Carrington Plus Event level solar flare that they tell us is pending for alarmist purposes almost every week now would take down the whole bot-verse and computer-verse allegedly. Chicken Little fear feeding?

AI is real because the tiny few demon psychopaths can't control the many without it. They have obviously turned over a lot of media to AI because you can see the transparent bot responsiveness of it. Living propaganda authors are the Hollywood equivalent of script doctors, touching things up here and there. Human habituated pattern recognition and adaptation will eventually suss it out, but in the meanwhile, sheeples still bite.

The threat of self recognizing and organically aware AI seems to be exaggerated as another Chicken Little chronic paranoia sword.

AI wars will require AI on all Hegelian sides and we seem to already be witnessing some forms of 'Transformer' like fighting going on.
3   KgK one   2025 Jun 2, 12:40pm  

Histories will be edited n all sources can be found using ai n then modified. Basically who ever controls ai can rewrite history n in 20 years no one will know.
4   stereotomy   2025 Jun 2, 12:49pm  

The only reason AI is flogged is that it completely removes any accountability for decisions. That's been the plan all along. Pharma led the way - pass legislation to remove liability. AI is simply the latest shell game.
5   beershrine   2025 Jun 2, 1:12pm  

Google's current search results are horrible, correction all search engines give irrelevant results on purpose. Results are used for driving a sale - Amazon has a total monopoly on this. While we can't go back to the good old days we should be avoiding these companies like the plague.
AI's future is being played up to maximum hype the balloon will pop at sometime and now it's just being forced on everyone when I can't see much value.

Wikipedia has expanded massively what was once a 200 word description has exploded into a 2000 word assay. I do know NO human would spend time doing this much defining on any or odd subject matter as you can tell it's being stolen(borrowed) from any online source and rewritten.
6   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Jun 2, 2:05pm  

beershrine says


Wikipedia has expanded massively what was once a 200 word description has exploded into a 2000 word assay. I do know NO human would spend time doing this much defining on any or odd subject matter as you can tell it's being stolen(borrowed) from any online source and rewritten.

The wild thing is watching the bias develop over time as subjects once non-controversial (Transsexuals and mental illness, for example) become so. And the one-sidedness of sources. And the lockstep political views of the most prolific and powerful WikiEditors.

But yeah, AI is going to be a disaster. It's going to FU so hard and fast the moment it gets out of coddling "testing" and into the real world.
7   mell   2025 Jun 6, 8:31am  

There is another thread about replacement of workers, but I will address it here. Vibe coding lowers the bar to start your own business, so we will have more but smaller companies, which is a good thing.

However software engineers will not be replaced, as mentioned many experienced engineers will be hired to fix the mess AI caused in larger codebases shopped to production without qualified oversight. What about juniors?

Well let me tell you that soon junior engineers will be CHEAPER than one vibe coder with N code agents running on their machine. Running a real exhaustive code agent on your machine already easily costs $10/hr, now multiply this by how many agents the average unqualified vibe coder will have installed.

And prices will only go up as AI is extremely power hungry and companies will soon realize the AI token sellers have them by their balls.

There are ways to mitigate this.a bit vua laptop LLMs and MCP but then again you need to be a qualified coder for this.

Most companies betting heavily on AI will fail or decline, whereas those using it as a tool under the oversight of qualified coders will thrive.
8   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 6, 10:04am  

Tenpoundbass says


If you recall, Amazon rolled those free moving robotic pallet dollies. They didn't last a year,


Yes they have. They are replacing them with improved ones.

mell says


Most companies betting heavily on AI will fail or decline, whereas those using it as a tool under the oversight of qualified coders will thrive.


Yes.

I'd say 80% of AI stuff now is BS hype. Startups couldn't get funding w/o claiming they were doing AI, is the main reason.

MolotovCocktail says


Some AI out there = Actually Indians





But the remaining 20%, watch out.

Lots of back office routine task jobs will be wiped out. Routine physically rote work will be wiped out by robots 5 - 10 years after that. That's happening now.

New opportunities will emerge, tho.

But many will not be able to change with the times.

On hardware:

There is also like 50,000 components involved in making the chips AI needs. 30,000 just in the chips themselves.

There is like 10 or less single point of supply chain failure in that which will be fatal to that supply chain. And no, China isn't even 6 of those.

And all it takes is one AMSL lab in the Netherlands to have a fire or a crucial specialist engineer to die from a Vaxx-induced stroke to stop that train for 6 months to a year or more.

And before you say, "No firm would tolerate just one crucial employee having irreplaceable talent/skill/etc. like that!" my response to that fallacious thinking is to 1) accuse you of not having any experience with small start ups where this is indeed common 2) there is no AI Chip Supply Chain Mega Corporation. There are thousands of firms instead. Many with 5 or less employees. See #1.

This will probably happen to Apple's iPhone production, too. Deglobalization is going to be forced in part because of this ridiculous supply chain overcomplexity and it's huge points of failure.
10   mell   2025 Jun 7, 8:48am  

There are already posts popping up on LI where people complain about management clamping down on AI token spend. But facts are if your engineer spends $1k per month on tokens then you don't have a software engineer.
11   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 7, 12:16pm  

mell says

But facts are if your engineer spends $1k per month on tokens then you don't have a software engineer.


They don't want one.

That the part you peeps STILL don't get.
12   mell   2025 Jun 7, 12:36pm  

MolotovCocktail says

mell says


But facts are if your engineer spends $1k per month on tokens then you don't have a software engineer.


They don't want one.

That the part you peeps STILL don't get.

They'll fail and the companies investing into talent will thrive, similar to those who already outsource massively, they're all failing, the big ones with monopolies just slower than their smaller peers. It's transitional
13   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 7, 12:52pm  

mell says


They'll fail and the companies investing into talent will thrive, similar to those who already outsource massively,


Wrong. They said the same crap in the 00s about outsourcing. I believed it. Then I learned.

They don't give a shit about 'great software'. They are taught explicitly not to in MBA school.

They are taught to wring out every last cent of costs no matter what.

Look how crappy Google search is today? Are you afraid to fly in a Boeing airplane? So fucking what! As long as MBA boy gets his bonus while avoiding culpability, so fucking what.

This has been obvious for 50 years now. Where da fuq have you been? Time to wake up.
14   mell   2025 Jun 7, 1:00pm  

MolotovCocktail says


mell says


They'll fail and the companies investing into talent will thrive, similar to those who already outsource massively,


Wrong. They said the same crap in the 00s about outsourcing. I believed it. Then I learned.

They don't give a shit about 'great software'. They are taught explicitly not to in MBA school.

They are taught to wring out every last cent of costs no matter what.

Look how crappy Google search is today? Are you afraid to fly in a Boeing airplane? So fucking what! As long as MBA boy gets his bonus while avoiding culpability, so fucking what.

This has been obvious for 50 years now. Where da fuq have you been? Time to wake up.



Wrong. Airbus has surpassed Boeing as the biggest airplane maker and Boeing has learned from this. You can maintain a cynical attitude but overall eventually the best product wins. That's why nobody is purchasing products and services from Africa (yet). Same goes for companies which massively outsource. See them going down every day, the bigger ones just take longer as they exploit their monopoly. Google overtook AskJeeves, Yahoo search etc because they were better, Facebook out teched MySpace. Tsla was the best EV maker hands down, now Chinese companies such as BYD are overtaking. Nothing stays the same.
15   mell   2025 Jun 7, 1:02pm  

Entertainment and other non-critical products cam survive longer on the market in a crappy state, but eventually even they will fail. Look at Apple slowly losing its dominance. Everything changes, nothing stays the same.
16   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 7, 9:34pm  

mell says

Airbus has surpassed Boeing as the biggest airplane maker and Boeing has learned from this. You can maintain a cynical attitude but overall eventually the best product wins


Hahahahaha!

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