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MolotovCocktail says

Just ask the 58% voters who voted against Bill Clinton in '92. If Perot 'split the votes evenly', that wouldn't have happened. He took more votes from Bush.

Wrong. This has been revised, the common stance these days is that it was a mostly even take. No vote is wasted if you vote for what you believe in. Stop citing Wikipedia for once lol.

https://split-ticket.org/2023/04/01/examining-ross-perots-impact-on-the-1992-presidential-election/

mell says

Wrong. This has been revised, the common stance these days is that it was a mostly even take

Bullshit. Complete bullshit. Clinton only got 42% of the vote. Lesse...100-42 = 58.

58% of voters voted for someone other than Clinton.

mell says

No vote is wasted if you vote for what you believe in

Bullshit. Wasted Vote is a technical term in political science. It's real.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379413000930

As for that bullshit article:

Of responding Perot voters surveyed by VRS, 51% preferred Clinton as a second choice compared to 42% for Bush.

So fucking what? They didn't get any 'second choice'. They only got one. The one they chose. Everything else is 'so fucking what'.

You deliberately trolling or are you just insisting others should accept your imaginary thinking as 'facts' on this matter?

I am starting to believe you are trolling.

Elon has proven he can't be trusted, just by his actions with X and Grok.

He ingratiated himself with the netizens when he bought X, because of his pro 1A stance. But he has since back pedaled and people are getting banned, you're ghosted unless you buy a verified check. The only people who reply to any threads I post are bots trying to convince me they will give me a million dollars if I just reach out to them.

He has allowed Grok to be an oppressively wokster, he's very tone deaf. He's an idealist and not a politician or even a patriot for that matter.
He will most likely stack the American Party leadership with Indians, Liberals and RINOs. While beating his chest about how pro American his party is.

I think his party is going to shave politically unsavvy people from both parties. I don't think he will garner any real Woke Democrats or Conservative MAGA republicans.

His party will ultimately be hijacked by Soros bucks and WEF groomed psychopaths..

Tenpoundbass says

I think his party is going to shave politically unsavvy people from both parties

Esp the morons who think there is 'no such thing as a wasted vote'.

Don't think it will attract a lot of Liberals - they hate his guts as much they do Trump.

Now, if the party goes all out after the Abundance vote, it can cause probs for the Dems for sure. The DLC types who want to use Abundance to clear out the wackos in the Dem party might throw in that towel. Or at least enough of them might.

My guess is that it will fold like No Labels.

MolotovCocktail says

mell says

Perot did take away votes fairly evenly,

False. Where rhe hell do you get this bullshit from?

mell says

Again, there's no problem with 3rd party candidates.

I supported Ross Perot, had he not ran, would have not shown up on election day. I believe 90% of his supporters felt the same way. I also supported Nader every time he ran.

The problem isn't 3rd party candidates. The problem will be a real Party financed by Musk capitol, Soros and other billionaires will follow suit.
There will be as many as 6 parties on the ballot. They will convince idiots that Jungle primaries are the best way to deal with so many parties. Because you'll have 5 parties backed by the same billionaires, bashing the populist candidate while suppressing the populist candidate. Nobody will win over 40% of the vote. So run offs will be a common thing. Squeezing out the populist.

The problem isn't a 3rd party candidate, the threat is the finances, the media and 4 or 5 parties putting up candidates. We'll see European style elections on steroids..

Boycott Elon in every way. I think that is the only way he will respond. He's just a disingenuous prick. If he feels that this party is hurting him rather than helping him. He will pull the plug on it before the midterm elections.

America has a fuckton of 3rd parties. They never go anywhere. Candidates pick one and run on it time and time again. But the truth is every 3rd party is just all hat and no sizzle. But a party that has marketing and resources like Musk can put behind it. Then the candidates will be moot, just like the Republican party and Democrat party. Because nobody wants to actually join the party and be part of the candidate selection process, or have a voting say in their party.
So HB1 visa Indians will fill those spots.

3rd party candidates are no threat. A viable marketed Party is a threat. If it's a real institution that has the resources to bombard media and mailers with their logo, and campaign material. Until now every 3rd party candidate just used the moniker, but every dime they got through campaign finances, went to marketing them and their election. Never their party, which is why 3rd parties go nowhere in this country.

This will be an earth shaking turn of events.

Two notorious Trump critics—billionaire Mark Cuban and disgraced former White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci—have signaled interest in joining Elon Musk’s newly announced “America Party,” a political faction Musk claims is aimed at restoring “freedom” to the American people.

I just hope Elon is so tone deaf he embraces them. Which I'm sure he will. He's not nor never was Authentically MAGA, and he doesn't have a clue what a huge mistep it would be embracing them.

Both Perot and Nader were good candidates. Even Clinton was a successful president by most metrics, those who whine and blame about lost votes usually belong to a party/candidate that has failed to convince enough voters. I'm confident Boosh senior would have left office with a worse approval rating.

So here's a scenario to explain my concerns about more than one party, and everyone's refusal to join their party, or comprehend what I say they need to do.

So the second coming of Trump comes along and decides he should run on the American Party.
But Elon and his Indians has been grooming a WEF future young leader recipient to run. The Trump 2.0 candidate starts out polling the WEF critter.
Elon's Indians take him to court and have him thrown off their ticket, just like the Democrats did to RFK Jr. Everyone then says. "Well it's Elon's party, he can do what ever he wants. Political parties are private and Elon owns it."

But in reality the only way to have prevented that would have been if concerned citizens showed up at the first party meeting in their county and got a seat at the table. Which they should be doing now, in the Republican party.

The American party will just be same old, same ole.

mell says

those who whine and blame about lost votes usually belong to a party/candidate that has failed to convince enough voters

I thought you pitched the BS "there is no such thing as a lost vote"?

MolotovCocktail says

mell says

those who whine and blame about lost votes usually belong to a party/candidate that has failed to convince enough voters

I thought you pitched the BS "there is no such thing as a lost vote"?

There isn't, only a lost opportunity to convince the voter by the other candidates/parties. Trump played this election almost perfectly by harnessing as much support as he could from various fractions (Musk, RFK). It's what you make out of it. If a 3rd party candidate forms and gets serious support, there is a need and political void for it. Nothing wrong with it

MolotovCocktail says

the listed treasurer is an Indian-born man named Vaibhav Taneja

Maybe he's a well-qualified treasurer.

If most of the names of the founders were Indian, I'd start to wonder what's going on, but a few are to be expected just from the numbers of Indians in the US now.

It'll fizzle like a dud sparkler on the Fourth. The main reason for this is to get some leverage to trade at election time. Elon wants leverage.

Ceffer says

It'll fizzle like a dud sparkler on the Fourth. The main reason for this is to get some leverage to trade at election time. Elon wants leverage.

Yep most likely

Lol they need to cry harder to peddle this bs, he didn't wreck the country, Bill Clinton was a successful president by most metrics, and while Perot may have been better, Boosh would have been worse for the country. Perot actually saved the country from a worse presidency if you believe in the 57% vote grab which was closer to 50% in reality.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=253586

Karl Denninger's take on why Elon will fail with this.

mell says

Bill Clinton was a successful president by most metrics

He made huge geopolitical mistakes.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/surprises-monday-july-7-2025-c-and

It’s still early, but it looks like the new America party will be much more of a headache for Democrats than Republicans. The new third party is not a shot at the GOP’s base, which already has Trump. It’s a shot across the bow of the disillusioned Democrat diaspora: the Cuban-style former liberals who liked enterprise, science, and sanity, but got priced out of the party by DEI bureaucrats, bearded female swimmers loitering in girls’ bathrooms, and the constant nagging of the climate priests.

Strategically speaking, based on what we know, the America Party threatens to split the Left, not the Right. If it grows legs, Musk won’t hurt Trump. He’ll hurt Newsom, Whitmer, or whoever the Democrats march out next. Already suffering from NGO and union donations losses, ActBlue investigations, self-inflicted David Hogg PR scandals, cratering polls, and an incoherent platform, a new third option is the last thing the Democrats need.

Patrick says

It’s still early, but it looks like the new America party will be much more of a headache for Democrats than Republicans.

Interesting. If the America Party decided to prosecute Fauci et al along with the Epstein customers, they may draw from the Republicans.

I'll go with whoever:

1. Prosecutes Fauci and all the other mass murderers.
2. Releases all the Epstein videos.

Even one of the two would be enough to draw my allegiance for a long time.

Patrick says

I'll go with whoever:

1. Prosecutes Fauci and all the other mass murderers.
2. Releases all the Epstein videos.

Even one of the two would be enough to draw my allegiance for a long time.

It may that by releasing the Epstein videos, it will take out enough politicians from both parties that a third party will fill in the gap.

That sounds like a pretty good outcome.

I can see how the America Party can draw from both sides:

Appeal to Republicans who are disappointed with the Epstein and Vaxx lack of prosecution

Appeal to youth of both parties who see a future of busting their butts to get ahead while supporting the 65 and older crowd's SS, Medicare, and lucrative government and government backed pensions. Also having to pay big bucks for housing that the geezers bought relatively cheap long ago. The Millennials, plus Z now outnumber the over 65, and could vote in an America Party that promises to curtail SS and Medicare, plus tax pensions and kill laws that prevent building new houses, especially when the Boomers are divided between Dem and Repub.

mell says

Even Clinton was a successful president by most metrics

Body count metric certainly, and intern cigar penetration too of course.

https://www.worldtribune.com/he-went-there-trump-posts-clinton-body-count-video/

Patrick says

I'll go with whoever:

1. Prosecutes Fauci and all the other mass murderers.
2. Releases all the Epstein videos.

Even one of the two would be enough to draw my allegiance for a long time.

Prediction: "Dr" Fuckyoucci will peacefully die of old age in his bed.

mell says

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=253586

Karl Denninger's take on why Elon will fail with this.

Interesting. FYI --> https://forum.policiesforpeople.com/t/enforcement-of-15-usc-chapter-1-to-save-healthcare-for-all/8923

I've heard of that before, but never the details.

if it was such a guaranteed failure, uniparty would not be trying so hard to discredit it.

RWSGFY says

Prediction: "Dr" Fuckyoucci will peacefully die of old age in his bed.

He murdered a lot of people, first with the virus, then with the vaxx.

It's possible that one of the relatives of the people he murdered will pay him a visit and administer justice.

Almost any liberal centrist that might like the America Party firmly believes Vaccines are unmitigated goods and while they may regret the hard stance against the "Hesitant", they still believe the FDA and BigPharma are wonderful champions of science and progress.

Woah, Grok has turned against Elon:

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/grok-gone-wild-wednesday-july-9-2025

What do people think of using a "plurality voting" system? In the base case, it would mean multiple parties could vie for an election without splitting off voters.

@SunnyvaleCA

Tell us how that voting system would work.