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Ukraine has been fucked for nearly a decade now. Russia for 200 years. This is old news. If we don't fucking stop, what this OP should say is the US and Europe will be totally fucked.

There are no winners in war, even in the rare cases when it is justified.

WookieMan says

I literally worked with a Ukrainian Oligarch lackey in Chicago, but he was the Chicago "boss" of the neighborhood. They laundered money through real estate.

Same in South Florida - BOTH Russians and Ukrainians. All know each other, many in real estate, etc.

There is no dislike between Ukrainians and Russians, whatever the Media and Politicians try to imply. Some anti-Russian Greek Catholics in the far West around Lvov.

There is more intermarriage and cross border personal relationships between Ukies and Ruskies than there is between Canuckistanis and Murricans, after all, the former were one country a little over 30 years ago and were together both under the Tsars and the USSR. The last time there was a viable Ukrainian state before now was before the Mongol Hordes.

gabbar says

US taxpayers shouldn't be funding personal Jewish wars

Yeah, one major player in this is Victoria Nuland, and she has her fingerprints over manipulating Ukraine going back at least to 2013.

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gabbar says

US taxpayers shouldn't be funding personal Jewish wars

Israelis maintain decent relations with Russia. Almost half of all Israelis don't want to sell Iron Dome or anything Defensive to Ukraine.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-19/ty-article/.premium/41-percent-of-israelis-oppose-arming-ukraine-in-war-against-russia/00000183-efe9-dddc-a1eb-ffe927360000

This is about the DNC having a money laundering center, and RINOs in the Defense Industry replacing lost Afghanistan Munitions expenditures with a new source of demand.

Behind all neocons are GE, Lockheed Martin, and Raytheon. Look at any org still or that was Neocon, all big MIC companies and/or their front groups. All of the top 10 Think Tanks are loaded up with MIC Money.

Israel is useful for the MIC because they make Congress give Israel the $4B annual gift certificate of which 95% comes right back to them, and use it strategically - like stopping telling the Israelis the only aircraft they could buy was the F-35 HangarQueen MaximizeCostPlus II as an attempt to get some other country to use it.

We will spend more than Russia's Annual GDP for a single-seat, single engine missile platform less agile than the last generation of fighters, that only a lot of armtwisting and bribery can generate orders for. The Navy and Australia and Royal Navy and others would rather have the updated version of a 1980s aircraft, the F/A-18 Hornet, than the F-35. That updated airframe being itself almost 30 years old. Sheesh.

Tangent, sorry.

I actually believe this one:

It sure does, because the US public will is against paying for the entire country, and the EU sure doesn't want to

At this point it should be all German and French loans to buy US equipment and we get paid to ship it, too.

I wonder if that audit of past Ukraine funds will implicate the Bidens, et al. Maybe this is the real reason for the blanket pardons.

HeadSet says

I wonder if that audit of past Ukraine funds will implicate the Bidens, et al. Maybe this is the real reason for the blanket pardons.

Can you pardon treason? Methinks no? I could be wrong. Either way states can charge them on a bunch of things I'm sure.

Biden tried to ensnare Trump in something and lost every step of the way. Trump also can't stop state government from going after Biden(s). Not sure about Hunter but Joe would get tossed in a white collar prison where he doesn't interact with other inmates. Or he might just kill himself in the coming weeks or some other insider offs him and Hunter to keep them quiet. Jill would be a hard one, but everyone needs to be eliminated if shady stuff went down.

HeadSet says

I wonder if that audit of past Ukraine funds will implicate the Bidens, et al. Maybe this is the real reason for the blanket pardons.

I do notice most of Biden's "Family and Friends" pardons go to exactly 2014, the year Hunter became a Burisma Board Member.

Since Sunday, several C-17 Military Transports with the U.S. Air Force have flown from Ramstein Air Base in Germany, to Hatzerim Airbase in Southern Israel, before then flying to Rzeszów in Eastern Poland, which serves as the Hub for almost all Military Aid provided by the U.S. and NATO to Ukraine. Reports previously had suggested that Israel was considering donating Soviet Weapons and Equipment, captured recently in both Lebanon and Syria, to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, including Tanks, Anti-Tank Guided-Missiles, and Ammunition; this is in addition to several “Patriot” Surface-to-Air Missile Batteries that the Israeli Air Force was preparing to Retire, which they had also considered giving to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882937260724699606

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883168266820194755

TRUMP AND JOOS ARE PROVOKING OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER INTO FINALLY LAUNCHING THESE DEADLY THERMONUKELAR NUKES FROM THAT NUCLEAR TRAIN WHICH HAS LEFT THE STATION TWO AND HALF YEARS AGO!!!!!

Perhaps Afghanistan can make a donation.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Dangling a carrot in front of Pukin's muzzle?

Feb 3 (Reuters) - U.S. shipments of weapons into Ukraine were briefly paused in recent days before resuming over the weekend as the Trump administration debated its policy towards Kyiv, according to four people briefed on the matter.
Shipments restarted after the White House pulled back on its initial assessment to stop all aid to Ukraine, two of the sources said.
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The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-arms-shipments-kyiv-briefly-paused-before-resuming-over-weekend-sources-say-2025-02-03/

I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED THAT TRUMP IS NOT REALLY PUKIN'S BITCH AS DEMON RATS TOLD US!

Flaming bag of dog poo Zelensky will eventually turn State's evidence on the biolabs and money laundering because, well, he's a criminal flaming bag of dog poo and it might keep him alive when the extortion and blackmails have dried up.

https://t.me/followsthewhiterabbit/105338

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Again just post it once. A quote is no different. The images are getting ridiculous. Can anyone have an intelligent comment anymore?

WookieMan says

Again just post it once. A quote is no different. The images are getting ridiculous. Can anyone have an intelligent comment anymore?

WookieMan says

Again just post it once. A quote is no different. The images are getting ridiculous. Can anyone have an intelligent comment anymore?

WookieMan says

Again just post it once. A quote is no different. The images are getting ridiculous. Can anyone have an intelligent comment anymore?

WookieMan says

Again just post it once. A quote is no different. The images are getting ridiculous. Can anyone have an intelligent comment anymore?

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

I actually believe this one:

there are no NK soldiers there. that’s uniparty propaganda.

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Trump wants to make a deal with Ukraine , this is in today's NY Post

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As far as the ukraine is concerned, the only thing I care about is the free money and arms they get from the usa...If that stops, it's all good whatever happens...Once the usa stops, then europe stops, then maybe the ukies will hang zelenzky like mussolini.

Eric Holder says

I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED THAT TRUMP IS NOT REALLY PUKIN'S BITCH AS DEMON RATS TOLD US!

would you be shocked if reuters was funded by usaid?

AD says

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Trump wants to make a deal with Ukraine , this is in today's NY Post

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Why in the hell would Russia want to 'deal' at all?

#UkraineIsFucked
#UkeyNaziFluffersOfPatNet

"...it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

- Henry Kissinger

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Why in the hell would Russia want to 'deal' at all?

Why not is the bigger question. They got what they wanted. No different than China or the US, we all know the reports are bull shit on war casualties. Russia can hide the number of deaths as long as they want, but if people are not coming back from the war front citizen will start getting pissed.

You can only war so long before you get tossed from office as parents lose their sons and family members. Last thing either government wants is a revolution. Ukraine is fucked either way. Russia could be fucked and they're do for if you look at history. They have too many resources and have gained the land they want. They're screwing their demographics in the future in about 20 years.

Enjoy the gains now and realize the shit hits the fan when you have no kids and men. 1 man that dies reduces the male population by over 50%, technically higher. There's an incentive to stop the war on both side as neither will exist in 20 years if they keep this up. Who is gonna work? 60-70 year olds?

Quote: "Who is gonna work? 60-70 year olds?"

Immigrants! They will do the work regular Russians simply don't do!

Who are the real losers of today’s Oval Office meeting between Trump and Zelensky?

First, the whole thing is a scam. Many people do not know that 95 to 98 percent of the foreign assistance money for Ukraine never left the United States. The money went to Pentagon contractors and the military-industrial complex—the same people who always profit from wars.

To deceive the American people, Jake Sullivan, then National Security Advisor, repeatedly came to the White House to explain that the money was actually going to Pentagon contractors to replenish America’s stockpile. In other words, they were sending old planes, old tanks, old weapons, and ammunition to Ukraine while replenishing what the U.S. no longer needed—as if they required a war to justify restocking.

To create the illusion that most of the money was going to Ukraine, they set aside a few billion dollars for humanitarian aid, but the bulk of the funds were for weapons—manufacturing them, shipping them, training Ukrainians to use them, and paying intelligence personnel to share information. Even the so-called humanitarian assistance was largely used to sustain soldiers so they could continue fighting.

Every war is a scam.

When President Trump says “Obama sent you blankets, and I sent you Javelins,” it all benefits the same military-industrial complex because Ukraine does not manufacture these weapons—they are made in the U.S., and the money stays here.

The real winners? Defense contractors and lobbyists.
The real losers? Ukraine, Europe, and possibly even the American people.

Ukraine’s Fate Without U.S. Support

Without continued U.S. assistance, Ukraine may not sustain the war for long. European nations may feel compelled to intervene, fearing Putin won’t stop at Ukraine.
So far, the U.S. has spent nearly $120 billion on Ukraine assistance, yet virtually all of it remained in the U.S. Europe has contributed even more, yet the situation remains unchanged.

Trump often claims Ukraine aid has exceeded $350 billion—false. Even if the total reached $1 trillion, $950 billion of it would still be spent within the U.S. Without further funding, Russia will easily defeat Ukraine.

The Military-Industrial Complex Stands to Lose Billions

If the war ends, defense contractors will lose the billions they’ve made on the blood of Ukrainian soldiers. A Russian victory could also embolden Moscow to go beyond Ukraine, putting Europe at risk.
But is Trump the winner?
I don’t know.

Are the American people winners?
I don’t know.

If Ukraine aid ceases, funds will still flow to the same Pentagon contractors—under a different justification. Trump says he wants to rebuild the military, fund the Iron Dome, and strengthen defense systems. The money still goes to the same players.

And if that’s not enough, a new war or terror attack could conveniently emerge, triggering another war on terror. Who gets the money? The same contractors.
The Real Threat Isn’t Zelenskyy or Putin—It’s the Pentagon Contractors

The most dangerous people aren’t in Kyiv or Moscow. They’re here in the U.S.—running defense companies, securing contracts, and ensuring wars never truly end.

For Trump, lengthy Oval Office meetings with cameras rolling may offer transparency, but too much exposure can backfire. Holding multiple press events daily may fatigue the public, leading to disinterest over time.

The biggest lesson from today’s meeting?
The war economy is alive and well—and no matter who wins, the military-industrial complex always gets paid.

https://x.com/simonateba/status/1895620207214817780

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

the U.S. has spent nearly $120 billion on Ukraine assistance

The best source I've found is the USA has made "available" $183 billion to Ukraine since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And in addition to the $183 billion, the USA has provided $20 billion in loans to Ukraine.

The website is run by the USA inspector general overseeing Ukraine financial aid.

https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/

Would have to read the above website to see how it accounts for the $183 billion.

I agree as the USA could show as an expense "surplus or old inventory from the Pentagon" transferred to the Ukraine military. So I don't know how much of the $183 billion is "Pentagon surplus".

Yeah, Lockheed Martin stock went from around $330 in December 2021 (leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine) to $619 in October 2024.

It dropped right after the November 2024 election.

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AD says

I agree as the USA could show as an expense "surplus or old inventory from the Pentagon" transferred to the Ukraine military. So I don't know how much of the $183 billion is "Pentagon surplus".

I think through "Foreign Military Sales or Transfers" (in this case it was a transfer and not sale unlike selling F-16's to Saudi Arabia) the Ukrainian Navy received four US Coast Guard "Island Class" patrol boats, which were already slated or planned to be decommissioned.

So my best guess is the USA accounted for each patrol boat at least as a $10 million "expense" when it transferred a "depreciated / used or surplus patrol boat" to the Ukraine Navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_patrol_vessel_Starobilsk#Transfer_to_the_Ukrainian_Naval_Forces

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OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Oh, be serious. He would do it for free.

The real loser(s) from this war:

Trump announced he will send more weapons to Ukraine.

that’s how he will go back in time and end the war in 24 hours as promised.

Fortwaye says

Trump announced he will send more weapons to Ukraine.

that’s how he will go back in time and end the war in 24 hours as promised.

After suspending them. And now it's being doled out in proportion to Ukraine's openness to talking to Russia and making a deal. This is correct and wise.