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Who are the real losers of today’s Oval Office meeting between Trump and Zelensky?

First, the whole thing is a scam. Many people do not know that 95 to 98 percent of the foreign assistance money for Ukraine never left the United States. The money went to Pentagon contractors and the military-industrial complex—the same people who always profit from wars.

To deceive the American people, Jake Sullivan, then National Security Advisor, repeatedly came to the White House to explain that the money was actually going to Pentagon contractors to replenish America’s stockpile. In other words, they were sending old planes, old tanks, old weapons, and ammunition to Ukraine while replenishing what the U.S. no longer needed—as if they required a war to justify restocking.

To create the illusion that most of the money was going to Ukraine, they set aside a few billion dollars for humanitarian aid, but the bulk of the funds were for weapons—manufacturing them, shipping them, training Ukrainians to use them, and paying intelligence personnel to share information. Even the so-called humanitarian assistance was largely used to sustain soldiers so they could continue fighting.

Every war is a scam.

When President Trump says “Obama sent you blankets, and I sent you Javelins,” it all benefits the same military-industrial complex because Ukraine does not manufacture these weapons—they are made in the U.S., and the money stays here.

The real winners? Defense contractors and lobbyists.
The real losers? Ukraine, Europe, and possibly even the American people.

Ukraine’s Fate Without U.S. Support

Without continued U.S. assistance, Ukraine may not sustain the war for long. European nations may feel compelled to intervene, fearing Putin won’t stop at Ukraine.
So far, the U.S. has spent nearly $120 billion on Ukraine assistance, yet virtually all of it remained in the U.S. Europe has contributed even more, yet the situation remains unchanged.

Trump often claims Ukraine aid has exceeded $350 billion—false. Even if the total reached $1 trillion, $950 billion of it would still be spent within the U.S. Without further funding, Russia will easily defeat Ukraine.

The Military-Industrial Complex Stands to Lose Billions

If the war ends, defense contractors will lose the billions they’ve made on the blood of Ukrainian soldiers. A Russian victory could also embolden Moscow to go beyond Ukraine, putting Europe at risk.
But is Trump the winner?
I don’t know.

Are the American people winners?
I don’t know.

If Ukraine aid ceases, funds will still flow to the same Pentagon contractors—under a different justification. Trump says he wants to rebuild the military, fund the Iron Dome, and strengthen defense systems. The money still goes to the same players.

And if that’s not enough, a new war or terror attack could conveniently emerge, triggering another war on terror. Who gets the money? The same contractors.
The Real Threat Isn’t Zelenskyy or Putin—It’s the Pentagon Contractors

The most dangerous people aren’t in Kyiv or Moscow. They’re here in the U.S.—running defense companies, securing contracts, and ensuring wars never truly end.

For Trump, lengthy Oval Office meetings with cameras rolling may offer transparency, but too much exposure can backfire. Holding multiple press events daily may fatigue the public, leading to disinterest over time.

The biggest lesson from today’s meeting?
The war economy is alive and well—and no matter who wins, the military-industrial complex always gets paid.

https://x.com/simonateba/status/1895620207214817780

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

the U.S. has spent nearly $120 billion on Ukraine assistance

The best source I've found is the USA has made "available" $183 billion to Ukraine since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And in addition to the $183 billion, the USA has provided $20 billion in loans to Ukraine.

The website is run by the USA inspector general overseeing Ukraine financial aid.

https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/

Would have to read the above website to see how it accounts for the $183 billion.

I agree as the USA could show as an expense "surplus or old inventory from the Pentagon" transferred to the Ukraine military. So I don't know how much of the $183 billion is "Pentagon surplus".

Yeah, Lockheed Martin stock went from around $330 in December 2021 (leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine) to $619 in October 2024.

It dropped right after the November 2024 election.

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AD says

I agree as the USA could show as an expense "surplus or old inventory from the Pentagon" transferred to the Ukraine military. So I don't know how much of the $183 billion is "Pentagon surplus".

I think through "Foreign Military Sales or Transfers" (in this case it was a transfer and not sale unlike selling F-16's to Saudi Arabia) the Ukrainian Navy received four US Coast Guard "Island Class" patrol boats, which were already slated or planned to be decommissioned.

So my best guess is the USA accounted for each patrol boat at least as a $10 million "expense" when it transferred a "depreciated / used or surplus patrol boat" to the Ukraine Navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_patrol_vessel_Starobilsk#Transfer_to_the_Ukrainian_Naval_Forces

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OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Oh, be serious. He would do it for free.

The real loser(s) from this war:

Trump announced he will send more weapons to Ukraine.

that’s how he will go back in time and end the war in 24 hours as promised.

Fortwaye says

Trump announced he will send more weapons to Ukraine.

that’s how he will go back in time and end the war in 24 hours as promised.

After suspending them. And now it's being doled out in proportion to Ukraine's openness to talking to Russia and making a deal. This is correct and wise.

The correct answer was always Crimea and eastern portions to Russia, Middle part rump Ukraine as a barrier between East and West, Far West Ukraine added to Poland, Moldavia, etc.

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

Fortwaye says

Trump announced he will send more weapons to Ukraine.

that’s how he will go back in time and end the war in 24 hours as promised.

After suspending them. And now it's being doled out in proportion to Ukraine's openness to talking to Russia and making a deal. This is correct and wise.

he isn’t ending anything. he knows how to end the war, he’s the original javelin man for Ukraine.

i just don’t believe him anymore after he broke many promises. i knew sales guys like him, they’d promise with no intention of keeping them. if it worked out great, if not they’d move on. he has same style.

with guys like that, it’s transactional. no pay till they fulfill.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/lying-liars-thursday-july-10-2025

Yesterday, the New York Times ran a startling story headlined, “Russia Makes Record Attack on Ukraine as Trump Castigates Putin.” More records! The sub-headline blandly explained, “The number of Russian drones and missiles in the barrage set a single-night record and underscored Ukraine’s need for weapons.”



... Russia has a standing cease-fire offer; it publicly released the terms in June, 2024. The Ukrainians still say “nyet,” because it would let the Russians remain in the four easternmost territories currently under Russian control. Instead, Ukraine —in no position to make demands— demands that Russia evacuate the four regions and hand back the Crimean peninsula, which became part of the Russian Federation after a local referendum eleven years ago.

For at least the last two years, corporate media has consistently declared the war was a “stalemate,” insisting the Russians were suffering horrifyingly large losses in men and material with little or nothing to show for it. Meanwhile, we just marked sustained, record-breaking levels of daily aerial attacks (missiles and large drones). USA Today, for example, recently reported drone strikes increased over 500% in June and July versus earlier this year. The BBC reckoned a 10x increase.

Obviously, Russia loses no soldiers or tanks in missile attacks. So much for a stalemate.

Things could be a lot worse. According to the Times, Russia is carefully targeting military and logistical sites in Western Ukraine, such as places where U.S. war aid is staged when it arrives. The Times admitted that, during the strikes, “injuries but no deaths were reported.” This is consistent with Russia’s approach during the entire war, to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. ...

Still, flouting logic, reason, and common sense, Ukraine sticks to its maximalist demands before agreeing to any ceasefire. They want not only the return of the aforementioned Russian-occupied territories, but also other “absurd” conditions like Putin agreeing to submit to war crimes tribunals, NATO membership, and Russian reparations...

Alas, Ukraine’s biggest problem is its own best friends, who refuse to tell it the painful truth. Instead, the Europeans keep encouraging Zelensky to fight! to the last Ukrainian.

I often suspect that a primary goal of keeping the war going is to kill the maximum possible number on both sides, just out of ethnic hatred for Slavs by a lot of people in the US State Department, and some people within Ukraine, like Zelensky and Kolomoisky.

i am thinking goal is to fund MIC. if each rocket is 4-8 million. that’s a lot of incentive. it’s no secret half the DC wants wars because it takes from taxpayers and gives to their military industry.

experience taught me it’s always money at the end.

https://www.kunstler.com/p/flux-rules

There is parallel matter of Ukraine to consider. Mr. Trump is yugely frustrated by his inability to put a quick end to it, to make that golden deal with Russia. The Ukraine War is the globalists desperate final project, its last stand. By saying which, let’s assume that the Globalists are “a thing,” a combo of the UK’s remaining potent assets (MI6 and the City of London financial octopus), the megalomaniacal EU bureaucratic leadership (von der Leyen & Co.), and the WEF-Davos gang. Ukraine was their instrument to break up Russia. The project has failed. Yet the war goes on. Mr. Trump says he was not even informed about Ukraine’s recent long-range drone attack deep into Russia, to take out its strategic bombers. Wasn’t informed? WTF???

Was it because the CIA has gone rogue over in Ukraine? Running the war their way — and not even Mr. Ratcliffe has a handle on all that? Consequently, Mr. Trump is yugely embarrassed in his many skull sessions with Mr. Putin. And thus, Mr. Putin seeks to bring about an end to this enormous pain-in-the-ass situation by simply winning the war. Which he is doing. His terms have been simple, plain, and straightforward from the get-go: a disarmed, neutralized Ukraine that must surrender the Donbas provinces, end-of-story, and don’t even mention Crimea because there’s nuthin to talk about there. And, of course, regime change in Kiev. . . eighty-six on Nazis, thank you.

In the natural course of things, the incompetent drug-addict Zelenskyy should have been overthrown by his own people months ago and it is only the rogue US intel community that continues to prop him up. As political dramaturgy, Mr. Trump must pretend to oppose Russia’s winning of the Ukraine War — we don’t let Russia win wars! — though it is the logical best solution to the problem. So, he is forking over the last $100-million, probably just to pay government salaries, pensions, and social services in Kiev for a month or so. But Russia will win and the UK-EU-WEF will be the big loser, and then Britain, France, and Germany can get on with the job of committing suicide, as they’ve dedicated themselves to do.

https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/by-the-numbers-western-propaganda

Over the past week, the Western media has frantically pushed the narrative that Russia is suffering massive losses. Marco Rubio’s remarks in Kuala Lumpur a couple of days ago is a typical example...

Talk about lazy reporters. There is plenty of data out there if you simply do basic analysis. For example, start with social media. In the age of ubiquitous smart-phones and social media platforms, it is impossible to hide death notices — aka obituaries — and pictures of funerals and graveyards. There are hundred of images of Ukrainian funerals and of graveyards with a literal sea of Ukrainian flags fluttering over a vast expanse of freshly dug graves. Not so in Russia. There are a few, but nothing to match the quantity displayed on Ukrainian channels. Here is one example from the cemetery in Khmelnitsky...

Again, there are a few videos of some cemeteries in Russia, but nothing to match the scale of what we can see in Ukraine.

Western intelligence analysts have access to satellite imagery and the capability to look at cemeteries in both Russia and Ukraine and compare where the most new graves are being dug. I swear I wrote an article on this with those images, but I can’t find it. But I did make an interesting discovery while searching for it… Western satellites and media companies are doing nothing to make that comparison.

The following graph helps explain why. ...



In my previous article, I discussed the reason for the disparity in combat deaths… It is the fact that Russia enjoys an overwhelming advantage in firepower. Let’s look at just two weapon systems:

Artillery shells: Russia enjoys a lopsided advantage thanks to ramped-up domestic production (3-4.5 million shells annually) and massive imports (e.g., 9+ million from North Korea since 2023), while Ukraine is dependent entirely on Western aid (1.3-2 million annually). NATO’s Secretary General has conceded in public that Russia produces more artillery shells in three months than the US and the rest of NATO can produce in a year. Production numbers are relevant because Russia’s firing rate (10,000-15,000 shells/day) outpaces Ukraine’s (2,000-7,000/day), leading to a 5-10:1 disparity in some sectors in 2024. In 2025, that disparity has grown to a 23:1 disadvantage for Ukraine. In other words, Ukrainians hit by artillery shells are will have more casualties than Russians simply because the Russians are firing more shells.

Drones: Russia holds several key advantages in the use of drones for combat in the ongoing conflict with Ukraine, primarily stemming from its larger industrial base, foreign partnerships (e.g., with Iran for Shahed-type drones and China for components), and focus on mass production and deployment. ...

Whatever casualties Ukraine is inflicting on Russian forces, it pales in comparison to what Ukraine is losing because of the overwhelming advantage in fires that Russia has. I guess Marco Rubio did not get that briefing.

i think Biden was losing war, so they decided to try to let Trump handle it different. He’s not ending it, because war is lost. All Trump doing is prolonging it.

Ukraine IS FUCKED. As is the reputation of Ukey Nazi Fluffers on PatNet.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/poly-something-wednesday-july-16

That’s it, Trump said, and announced that, if V. Putin does not concede to a ceasefire within 50 days, then Russia will receive dreaded 100% tariffs.

And, Trump said, we’ll sell all the weapons we could spare to NATO, to forward on the annoying green-sweatshirted gnome, who’d just extended his long-expired presidency again by signing another new martial law order in Kyiv (a rare but exciting new form of democracy without elections). ...

Actually, global necons experienced a rush of adrenaline followed by a sensation best described as rapturous ecstasy. They could hardly speak from the joy of the moment. Finally! Haha, Russia, they crowed, dancing awkwardly with each other, high-fiving, pointing and laughing. Putin, you’re in for it now!

But we who remain skeptical about Project Ukraine experienced bemusement. 100% tariffs? On what? Russia’s already been sanctioned to Siberia and back. They can’t even use SWIFT. U.S. firms can’t legally do business with them. The supposed “tariff” would apply to what, exactly? Schrödinger’s shipment?

Once upon a time, the people of the United States were promised by the Trump administration that there would be a complete audit of the funds going to the Ukraine. Remember that ????

Like there was going to be a paper trail of funds that led back to the VIPs in the government both in Congress and the prior administration.

People actually believed that rampant corruption would ferreted out and the perpetrators brought to justice.

.... so naive

Fortwaye says

with guys like that, it’s transactional. no pay till they fulfill.

Good. I want a wise statesman, not an ideologue.

Misc says

Once upon a time, the people of the United States were promised by the Trump administration that there would be a complete audit of the funds going to the Ukraine. Remember that ????

I would also like to see an audit of the Pentagon with people held accountable.

Misc says

the people of the United States were promised by the Trump administration

And an audit of Fort Knox, correct?